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eaves.ca: Messina and Firefox

  • Chris Messina · 2 years ago
    Ah, David, this is a great post, and I hope the folks at Mozilla get a chance to read it. I'll be writing a follow-up post soon, but this really gets at the spirit that my rant was after -- it certainly wasn't aimless anger or indirected frustration, but a plea for answers and for a sense of what's Mozilla next Big Idea™ is!

    To be fair, I have received quite a few comments and have had some discussions in the past few days that have enlightened me about the state of things -- and about what's going on.

    There is still a great deal of work to be done, all the same, and I think, as a community, we must really take the growing threats seriously (IP law is one of these) and respond to them in due measure. It's not that Mozilla isn't up for it or isn't the organization that I'd want to represent me in the fight, but that I want to make sure that we are doing everything we possibly can to ensure success and that the web stay and become more open.
  • Mark Kuznicki · 2 years ago
    Great post. You raise the essential question: should/can an OSS enterprise open source its strategy?

    My gut tells me that (in at least some circumstances like the Mozilla case) open sourcing strategy may be a way to optimally balance impact, legitimacy and long-run sustainability in the context of an adapting competitive threat and evolving community aspirations.

    My gut also says that such a prospect is terrifying to employees of the enterprise for many legitimate reasons - some emotional, others completely rational.

    If desirable, is true open source strategy even possible? The practices for it do not currently exist as they do in software development. What is the "source code" of strategy? (I'm speaking metaphorically here.) How do you break up "strategy-code" into discrete work packages that can be reassembled into a coherent whole? How do you interrogate the quality of strategy-code submitted by contributors and approve moving it into the core of an organization?

    These seem like hard problems worth working on. If desirable and possible, then the best candidate to lead innovation in this area is Mozilla. Success would be nothing less than revolutionary - a true meta-innovation.

    Developing an open source strategy development model would be a fascinating project that I would love to contribute to!
  • john lilly · 2 years ago
    great work, dave, as always!

    i've been thinking a lot about this today -- obviously everyone here has. what seems (to me) to be happening overall is that our mechanisms for participation in some of the conversations we're having aren't quite scaling in kind. there are places to talk about how firefox gets developed (dev.apps.planning), there are places to talk about governance issues as well -- these are all open & accessible, although we need to keep working on it.

    but there's not a very good place to talk together about what mozilla can/should be.

    i'm trying very very hard to get everyone to tease apart tone & implication from content. on the content, there's much to reiterate & explain (the stuff about international efforts, college efforts, etc, is just not correct), there's much to talk about to come to better strategies on (what's after the browser, for example). that's stuff we have some ways to talk about in the community -- but we should be clearer. the funny thing is that the conversations are all happening in a highly decentralized way -- that's mozilla DNA -- we could have them in a more centralized way, but it is a tension, for sure.

    but i think that much of the conversation so far has been personal in nature -- everyone i know involved with mozilla puts *everything* they have into it. they work incredibly hard, they try to always do the right thing, they take criticism exceptionally personally.

    chris, i've found your comments on other peoples' blogs immensely more moderated in *tone* and more productive to talk about. here you're saying it's a plea for answers -- that's great -- the form of your post wasn't that, though. it said more, "they're not doing this, they're not doing that." the campus stuff is an example. just because you don't know about what's happening doesn't mean that it's not, and framed as a question "what's going on with campus stuff?" is a much different framing than we started with. there's a ton of stuff happening in japan that's nothing to do with joi, there's a ton of stuff happening in europe and china and latin america and africa. we should be talking about it more, yes. we're searching for ways to do it always.

    we can be more, we should be more. but we should also be proud of where we are. i'd like any discussion of the future (and we're having & should have a lot more) should be grounded in what the situation is today, what we're doing now, what we're not doing now.

    anyway, dave, this is a great contribution.